If there are any links, I'd love to have one! Also, does anyone know about any PDFs for the latest releases at the 2011 DC yet? I know it's not likely, but I figured it was worth a shot.
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dc talk outlines YKnot
by JWFreak incant seem to contact dear yknot.
does anyone else want to host some 2011 dc outlines.
cheers.
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Need Opinions -- Engaged to a JW!!
by junebug_11 inok, quick run down of my situation.. .
1. i am not religious.
my now-fiance was raised jw but left the religion about 10 years ago.. 2. we started dating last march, i got pregnant within two weeks.
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Glad to see that you're still around June Bug! One other thing I thought of that I don't think has really been mentioned much (though I might have forgotten) in this thread is the fact that the Watchtower seems to be a haven for pedophiles because of Watchtower policy. I promise that I don't intend for this to be a fear tactic approach, and your child may never have to deal with the danger (I was fortunate to not have to go through anything like that as a JW child), but it's worth considering.
Libelle, I feel so bad for you and can only imagine that you must want to scream and run sometimes when your husband incessantly talks to you in JW speak. My mother just got back from their District Convention and is using the loaded language like crazy and talking about how all the people who are essentially pissing her off in life are going to get theirs. I've learned to tune most of it out, but I can't imagine living with it. Best of luck in making a better life for you and your daughter! -
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by junebug_11 inok, quick run down of my situation.. .
1. i am not religious.
my now-fiance was raised jw but left the religion about 10 years ago.. 2. we started dating last march, i got pregnant within two weeks.
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@Hortensia - You are so right; it's not a religion for children. It completely robs them of their childhood!
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Need Opinions -- Engaged to a JW!!
by junebug_11 inok, quick run down of my situation.. .
1. i am not religious.
my now-fiance was raised jw but left the religion about 10 years ago.. 2. we started dating last march, i got pregnant within two weeks.
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I'm sure that the conversation has moved on some, but I'm too impatient to read all the posts before leaving a post of my own.
My heart goes out to you June Bug!!! I read the subject of the thread and a million red flags went up. Many here have given great advice already. I was raised a JW but never got baptized as one. It affected my whole life though, and still does, even though I now know that it is a high mind control cult, and that just about everything they teach is a lie in one form or another. I'm sure that you want the best for your child, and I can tell you right now that if you want a normal life that isn't controlled by fear, having your child anywhere near JW influence is a very dangerous place. I really wish it were different, but I honestly think that you'd be better off as a single mom than you would living in a JW world while trying to keep yourself and your child (and any future children) out of the cult's influence. Your fiance thinks that he is doing the right thing for his family. It's not really his fault, he was just indoctrinated well enough to be one of those that leaves, but still believes. My mother did that. She left for 10 years and then went back and became so indoctrinated again and so adamant about her faith that it almost cost us our entire relationship. I now have to be very careful about what I say around her or she will never speak to me again because she has been conditioned to never associate with anyone who has anything bad to say about the JWs.
There are all kinds of gentle ways to gradually lead your fiance down a path to discover that it is a cult teaching lies, but if you don't want him to shut down to anything you have to say about it, don't come right out and tell him that it's a cult. I like the idea that you pretend to truly be interested in learning about the religion and slowly uncover things "together" while teaches you about the beliefs. There are plenty of examples of how to do that on here and other websites too. I wish I had read up on those things before I blurted out my new found knowledge that my mother was returning to a cult when she decided to go back (which was when I finally decided to look into the JWs online). One thing is for sure, you must learn all you can about this "religion" before committing to this man. Don't just accept anything that he agrees to now; he will most likely change his mind as he gets more indoctrinated again (as others have also said). If you aren't able to slowly draw him away from being a JW, I think the big question may come down to what you are willing to let your child go through. I'm sure that he has the idea in the back of his head that he will slowly be able to teach you "the truth" and eventually you will be one big, happy JW family. That's how my mother was for years until my push-over of a father finally gave in and agreed to "study" with the JWs and finally became one himself.
Sorry about the long post, but like everyone else, I just want to make sure that you know that you are in a serious, majorly life changing situation. Everything is taken seriously in the JW world and that makes JWs very hard to live with, especially when raising children is involved. I completely understand where those posting "run, run, RUN" are coming from; especially when it comes to raising a highly impressionable young mind around that fear inducing and fear controlling cult - just ask any one else who was also a born-in (or close to born-in) JW.
Anyway, I'm so sorry hun, but please don't go into this as if he's decided to be a Methodist or any other general mainstream religion. The cult has already had a life-long impact on him, please take your time in deciding just how much of an impact you will let it have on you and your children... -
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I didn't go. I don't remember the last time I did go to a JW Memorial, but it's been at least 11 years by now.
I was too busy celebrating my wedding anniversary with my husband and our little boy. While my mother and father's congregation was busy passing flat bread with a side of rejection under fluorescent lighting, we were busy eating big, fat bread at an atmospheric, Italian restaurant in celebration of life and love.
My mother did send us an invitation to attend along with the card she sent us for our anniversary though.
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I watched something (probably the very first episode of The Universe Season 1 actually) about solar cycles once. We're due for heightened solar activity, so it's nothing surprizing - we just have more technology that's affected by it to worry about now. I wonder if there is any link between the movement of the plates and the solar activity. I'll have to look into that one.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/10may_longrange/
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Mr. Falcon - That's really sad. I wonder what my mother has thought of all of this.
I completely agree with moshe and Finally-Free about them being naive about thinking that God will do this that and the other to keep specific people safe from the laws of nature. It's pure physics and physics don't discriminate.
I also agree with thetrueone. After watching season 1 of How The Earth Was Made on Netflix, I was completely free of some of the old concepts I didn't know that I hadn't gotten rid of that the WTS had ingrained in me from birth. After watching that, I would think that any JW that has half a logical brain cell still functioning outside of the cult's control should get at least a little bit of a sense that the reality that the WTS presents is at least a little off somehow. The purely emotional ones like my mother... maybe not so much. I also feel really bad for the JWs that are so far in that they hear anything science related that might challenge their beliefs and they automatically shut it out.
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Here's hoping everyone will stay safe! It's sad that some JDubs will be praising this as a sign that the end is near. It's also sad that the WTS uses this fear tactic so well.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-27-11 WT Study (SING)
by blondie inreview comments will be headed by comments.
book of psalms._read psalm 8:3, 4, 7-9.. .
praise god in song.. .
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Forgive me if I repeat anyone else; I haven't read the whole thread yet...
I actually sort of read this study article. My mother and I talked on the phone the other night and I wanted to see how the meeting might affect her current lack of "zeal". I was happy to find that it was a total time waster! That said, all I could see what more mind control. "Listen to the CD often" and "practice" and "memorize" the constant use of repetition is a form of mind control (aside from the fact that they seem to be doing damage control when it comes to the new songbooks). The shortening of the songs and making them easier this and easier that also smacks of mind control. I don't know well what they state translates to real life (although not very well yet from the sounds of it). Anyway, that's my take on it. I haven't actually heard any of the new songs yet.
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A roaring current of change.... Is The Watchtower in the process of a major overhaul of their religion?
by koolaid-man ina roaring current of change..... what is going on at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses?
in the last couple of years unprecedented changes in policy, procedure, and doctrine have been coming forth in rapid fire sequence.
this uninterrupted episode of new information is beginning to backfire for the rank and file witnesses.
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As far as Rick is concerned... Six Screens was one of the first eye opening websites I ever visited and it played a huge part in the curtain coming down for me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZR64EF3OpA I will give him the respect he deserves for playing such a big role in my deprogramming.